martin luther king, as well as nelson mandela? >> i would say that my uncle was always a peaceful warrior. he fought for peace, justice. he wanted to end oppression. but he held on to that his whole life. of course, nelson mandela only acquired some of those qualities later in life. however, i believe they both went through the fire. i believe that they were forged to be leaders and to resist oppression, and martin luther king, jr. fought for that here in america, and nelson mandela fought so hard in south africa, but those two movements did finally meet, and i think that was their commonality. >> i think both of these men were nobel peace prize winners. both remarkable in that they overcame extraordinary odds of racism, and in for nelson mandela, national apartheid. when he came out of prison he came out different. filled with humility and grace and a gentleness he took with him when he was elected to office and worked with the very people who villainized him for a all of his life. how does a person come to the place where they c